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Why Internet Explorer is outdated.

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Why Internet Explorer is outdated.

Postby NeoThermic » Sat, 01 2005 Jan 23:23:46

You've probably come here from one of our browser compatibility warning notices, and are quite possibly wondering why Internet Explorer is considered an out of date browser by us.

Well, we consider it out of date because it is out of date. It's 7 years old. These days with technology, you don't use things that old.

We wish to make use of standardised technologies which would make your browsing experience more pleasant, without having to employ workarounds just so that the one major browser which cannot cope with them (Internet Explorer) can accept them. Even then, though, these workarounds are not perfect; sometimes they make the page so much bigger, and they always add extra complexity to us.

There are also other Internet Explorer-only problems in the new XHTML 1.0 Strict compliant version of the site, such as the inactive scrollbar on the ads, which cannot be worked around, but are only a problem in this single browser.

Internet Explorer can't even load the XHTML 1.1 site, and thus prevents MathML from working (which http://www.neothermic.com uses in places)

To make things worse the new version, Internet Explorer 7, is not due for release until 2006, and will still not be fully standards compliant. That's also not accounting for the fact that other browsers will likely have advanced greatly by then.

So why should you care? Simple: http://www.neothermic.com will most likely always look worse in Internet Explorer than in the alternatives listed at the bottom of this page. This new version of http://www.neothermic.com has taken a lot of effort to make it standards compliant, and our efforts are not fully displayed in Internet Explorer.

It is also a good idea generally not to use Internet Explorer for security reasons - many pieces of spyware and viruses install themselves stealthily via security holes in Internet Explorer, of which there are many.

Finally alternative browsers are often more powerful - all of the alternatives listed below have built-in RSS feed monitoring and tabbed browsing (an extremely useful feature once you get used to it), along with many more options.




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Postby alcaeus » Fri, 30 2005 Sep 07:40:51

You're funny, really. I'm using IE and I've never had a problem with Viruses, Spyware, Adware or something like this. Don't go blaming a program of being completely unsecure when the most unsecure thing is always the user in front of the computer.
Also, about being compatible: I had to rewrite the JavaScript on my site to support FireFox, even though I wrote it following official JS-standards (no, not the MS ones).
What am I saying: webdesigners should write something that supports all major platforms. If they don't, they'll lose visitors. Goodbye.

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Postby NeoThermic » Fri, 30 2005 Sep 13:32:06

alcaeus wrote:You're funny, really. I'm using IE and I've never had a problem with Viruses, Spyware, Adware or something like this.


I would wager that as you type that you've got at least 10 tracker cookies installed.

Also, it doesn't help that your browser currently has an unpatched remote code execution hole. Granted, you have to trust the site you're viewing, but who can you trust on the internet? You might think that the page I've linked there is safe, but it might just be an example which deletes your whole 'My Documents', or it might put a trojen on your system. Thats the beauty of remote code execution.


alcaeus wrote:Don't go blaming a program of being completely unsecure when the most unsecure thing is always the user in front of the computer.


There's a diffrence between a user being insecure with an application that is insecure rather than a user being insecure with a secure application. While firefox is far from perfect, its a damn sight more secure than IE will ever be.

alcaeus wrote:Also, about being compatible: I had to rewrite the JavaScript on my site to support FireFox, even though I wrote it following official JS-standards (no, not the MS ones).


Well, I'm sorry to hear that firefox doesn't have full Javascript support. Why not flag that up as a bug and see it fixed before 1.5 goes gold?

Just be thankfull you only had to re-write some javascript. I had to rewrite half my site to cope with IE's inability to do XHMTL 1.1 and MathML. I'm still doing it. The next version of my site is 30% content creation code, and 60% work-around-IE code. From content juggling to outright replacement of generated XHTML to CSS hacks, there's too much that has to be done to the site to get IE to play nice. Even whats left won't look as perfect as it will in Firefox, Opera, Safari or any decent browser that isn't running an engine thats 7 years old.

alcaeus wrote:What am I saying: webdesigners should write something that supports all major platforms. If they don't, they'll lose visitors.


In a dream world that would be to write to the specs and then have all browsers support that, but as you and I both know, we don't live in a dream world. The next version of my site will actually dumb the content down for IE, where as those using a proper browser will get a better site. I won't hesitate to let the IE users know what they are missing either.

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